that since 2007 when the environmental thing happened, [speaker not understood] was involved, troy butler was a paid advocate, rowena was paying the attorney, [speaker not understood] haven't paid anything. they have as much right to participate as anybody else and no more. the results is you're getting very distorted information such as at the last hearing. and one thing that happened, because the notice was all screwed up about what was happening and what wasn't happening, and then also the scheduling, they said everybody who was here to try it who could have corrected that was gone, except hiroshi [speaker not understood]. there were people from the neighborhood, all of whom had to leave. so, you got a picture that is so far from the truth, you know. i mean, i would think you must resent some time just having people come in to pull the wool over your eyes. there is this happy involvement with the community, there is an agreement with fuff. i've never heard of these people. who are these three people who say they have an agreement? they said they didn't have a contract, but didn't it im